Comments on: Moses in The Wilderness | A burning Bush problem. http://kiwivagabond.com/wordpress/moses-in-the-wilderness-a-burning-bush-problem/ A musing on New Zealand, Kiwiana and it's re discovery from far out in space. Sat, 19 May 2012 14:32:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: Rose http://kiwivagabond.com/wordpress/moses-in-the-wilderness-a-burning-bush-problem/#comment-36 Rose Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:37:30 +0000 http://kiwivagabond.com/wordpress/moses-in-the-wilderness-a-burning-bush-problem/#comment-36 Hi Graham, I like your site! I had visited once and liked your blog on our beggars, that's why I sent the other pictures. I thought you'd get a kick out of them! It's neat to read your perspective on things here in Colorado. I'm sure it's so different from NZ, and hard too, to be so far away. I lived in Alaska for 4 years and it's not just a short flight home for the weekend, I only went home once during that time. Hopefully U 2 can get together with us 2 soon. Take care. Hi Graham, I like your site! I had visited once and liked your blog on
our beggars, that’s why I sent the other pictures. I thought you’d get a kick out of them! It’s neat to read your perspective on things here in Colorado. I’m sure it’s so different from NZ, and hard too, to be so far away. I lived in Alaska for 4 years and it’s not just a short flight home for the weekend, I only went home once during that time. Hopefully U 2 can get together with us 2 soon. Take care.

]]> By: John http://kiwivagabond.com/wordpress/moses-in-the-wilderness-a-burning-bush-problem/#comment-32 John Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:09:29 +0000 http://kiwivagabond.com/wordpress/moses-in-the-wilderness-a-burning-bush-problem/#comment-32 Haven't seen beggars in New Zealand as such but I have seen plenty of 'tramps' cleaning out the city rubbish bins at night times and I have seen it done in the day time too. Dressed in all their tramp clothes and sack over the shoulder etc. Worked with a guy once in Auckland and he knew one that I had seen and according to him, this tramp was extremely wealthy. One reads in the paper from time to time of a so called beggar overseas (the last one I read of was in England) who all the community have known for years as a beggar and then the person has died and have had $millions under their bed or in a bank etc and 'willed' it to their dog or cat or some charity. I have seen the beggars in Europe and I struggled as to what was real and even felt guilty of the essence of my judgement or lack of. With little or no exposure in NZ it is a realiy check when contact with one is made, even when travelling in Australia. I struggle with the view of why they are there. Has it been a personal choice or is it by unfortunate circumstances. A very thought provoking blog. Haven’t seen beggars in New Zealand as such but I have seen plenty of ‘tramps’ cleaning out the city rubbish bins at night times and I have seen it done in the day time too. Dressed in all their tramp clothes and sack over the shoulder etc. Worked with a guy once in Auckland and he knew one that I had seen and according to him, this tramp was extremely wealthy.
One reads in the paper from time to time of a so called beggar overseas (the last one I read of was in England) who all the community have known for years as a beggar and then the person has died and have had $millions under their bed or in a bank etc and ‘willed’ it to their dog or cat or some charity.
I have seen the beggars in Europe and I struggled as to what was real and even felt guilty of the essence of my judgement or lack of. With little or no exposure in NZ it is a realiy check when contact with one is made, even when travelling in Australia. I struggle with the view of why they are there. Has it been a personal choice or is it by unfortunate circumstances.
A very thought provoking blog.

]]> By: Graham http://kiwivagabond.com/wordpress/moses-in-the-wilderness-a-burning-bush-problem/#comment-31 Graham Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:51:16 +0000 http://kiwivagabond.com/wordpress/moses-in-the-wilderness-a-burning-bush-problem/#comment-31 Wow........Are you sure he wasn't just a busker!! LOL It is disturbing isn't it. I heard years ago from Christian friends who traveled to India etc, that some beggars are professionals. That seems to be the case here too. They are well looked after by aid organisations, Church & other. I have heard stories of them driving away in cars parked down the road, nice cars! I rubbed shoulders the other day with several of them and they themselves shared these stories among othre sof T Bone steak feeds, new clothes etc. This helped toughen me up a bit. Apart from Steven (whom I gave 75cents) I had kind of decided that I wasn't gona give anyone any money, not to reinforce a dependency. I'd decided to get cans of food or sandwiches or that kinda stuff. Money would just end up on alcohol probably. Then I heard stories of those kinds of offerings being snubbed. SO how com ethey do it? To me it's kinda like the spam emails about dead uncles, or needing to get 15 million out of Africa. You know the kind! People must fall for it, just like someone must give these beggars money for them to keep doing it. Perhaps there is a strategy that they know people will crack when confronted with 'ugliness' and they play on that and even dress it up a bit, look sad etc. This is a summary of my thoughts thus far on it. One thing I know. A good book says, 'the poor we will always have with us'. And actually in the OT provision was made for them......hmmmmmmm..........maybe I am being to hard here....I am such a softee. Wow……..Are you sure he wasn’t just a busker!! LOL
It is disturbing isn’t it.
I heard years ago from Christian friends who traveled to India etc, that some beggars are professionals.
That seems to be the case here too. They are well looked after by aid organisations, Church & other.
I have heard stories of them driving away in cars parked down the road, nice cars!
I rubbed shoulders the other day with several of them and they themselves shared these stories among othre sof T Bone steak feeds, new clothes etc.
This helped toughen me up a bit.
Apart from Steven (whom I gave 75cents) I had kind of decided that I wasn’t gona give anyone any money, not to reinforce a dependency.
I’d decided to get cans of food or sandwiches or that kinda stuff.
Money would just end up on alcohol probably.
Then I heard stories of those kinds of offerings being snubbed.

SO how com ethey do it?
To me it’s kinda like the spam emails about dead uncles, or needing to get 15 million out of Africa.
You know the kind!
People must fall for it, just like someone must give these beggars money for them to keep doing it.
Perhaps there is a strategy that they know people will crack when confronted with ‘ugliness’ and they play on that and even dress it up a bit, look sad etc.

This is a summary of my thoughts thus far on it.

One thing I know. A good book says, ‘the poor we will always have with us’.

And actually in the OT provision was made for them……hmmmmmmm……….maybe I am being to hard here….I am such a softee.

]]> By: Brenda http://kiwivagabond.com/wordpress/moses-in-the-wilderness-a-burning-bush-problem/#comment-29 Brenda Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:32:16 +0000 http://kiwivagabond.com/wordpress/moses-in-the-wilderness-a-burning-bush-problem/#comment-29 Hi Graham. Saw a beggar for the first time sitting outside Postie Plus, the Okara Barn shopping Centre in Whangarei, a few weeks ago It bothered me for days. Hi Graham. Saw a beggar for the first time sitting outside Postie Plus, the Okara Barn shopping Centre in Whangarei, a few weeks ago
It bothered me for days.

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